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<TD BGCOLOR=#404F64><B><FONT COLOR=#FFC246 SIZE=2>«Áîðèñ Ãðåáåíùèêîâ ("Àêâàðèóì")»</FONT></B></TD>
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<HR NOSHADE SIZE=1 color=#C1C1C1><nobr><b>Ñòàòüÿ ïðåäîñòàâëåíà - <A HREF="http://rusrock.freelines.ru">rusrock.freelines.ru</A></b></FONT></nobr></FONT></TD>
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1994-é ãîä, Äîì íà Ïóøêèíñêîé, 10, îôèñ "Àêâàðèóìà". Ïðîñòîðíàÿ, ýêçîòè÷åñêè óêðàøåííàÿ êîìíàòà, â öåíòðå - íåáîëüøîé ñòîë çà êîòîðûì è ðàçìåñòèëèñü Âåäóùèå ïðîãðàììû "Ðîññèéñêèé ðîê" è ãîñòåïðèèìíûé ÁÎÐÈÑ ÃÐÅÁÅÍÙÈÊÎÂ.
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<FONT COLOR="#8FA3B1">ÐÐ: Íà÷íåì ìû ñ âîïðîñà ãëîáàëüíîãî - èíòåðåñíî ëè äëÿ òåáÿ ñåãîäíÿøíåå âðåìÿ, êîòîðîå ñ÷èòàåòñÿ - è íå áåç îñíîâàíèé - ìåðêàíòèëüíûì?
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ÁÃ: ß íå çàìå÷àþ íè÷åãî ìåðêàíòèëüíîãî, ïîòîìó ÷òî êàê îíî âñå è áûëî, òàê âñå è åñòü. Åñëè ëþäè çàèíòåðåñîâàëèñü âîçìîæíîñòüþ ïîëó÷èòü äåíüãè, çíà÷èò îíè çíàþò, ÷òî ñ ýòèìè äåíüãàìè äåëàòü. Åñëè ðàíüøå ñëîæíî áûëî êóïèòü DAT, òî òåïåðü íåñëîæíî. Åñëè ðàíüøå áûëà îäíà ãèòàðà, òî òåïåðü íà êîíöåðòå ÄÄÒøíèêîâ ÿ âèæó, ÷òî íà ñöåíå ýòèõ "Ôåíäåðîâ" âàëÿåòñÿ - íó ïðîñòî øòàáåëÿìè. ß ñèæó è ðàäóþñü - çàìå÷àòåëüíî! Òàê ÷òî äåíüãè - ýòî ïðîñòî ñðåäñòâî. Âàæíû öåëè, äëÿ êîòîðûõ îíè èñïîëüçóþòñÿ.
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<FONT COLOR="#8FA3B1">ÐÐ: Ïîñëå þáèëåéíîãî êîíöåðòà ðîê-êëóáà âî äâîðöå ñïîðòà "Þáèëåéíûé" âñåì ñòàëî ÿñíî, ÷òî â êëàññè÷åñêîì ñâîåì ñîñòàâå Àêâàðèóì ïåðåñòàåò ñóùåñòâîâàòü. Áûëî ñîâåðøåííî íåÿñíî, ÷òî æå áóäåò äàëüøå. Íî ïðàêòè÷åñêè ñðàçó ó òåáÿ ïîÿâèëñÿ íîâûé êîëëåêòèâ è íîâûå ïåñíè. Îíè çàðîæäàëèñü åùå â íåäðàõ ñòàðîãî Àêâàðèóìà, èëè áûëè íàïèñàíû óæå ïîñëå?
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ÁÃ: Ñêàæó áîëåå- Êîãäà áûë ñûãðàí ýòîò êîíöåðò â ìàðòå 91-ãî ãîäà, ïîñëåäíèé êîíöåðò ñòàðîãî Àêâàðèóìà, òî ìíîãèå åãî ó÷àñòíèêè - íå ñêàæó ïðî ñåáÿ - ñòðàííûì çàãàäî÷íûì îáðàçîì èçëå÷èëèñü îò ìíîãèõ âíóòðåííèõ áîëåçíåé, êîòîðûå ó íèõ áûëè. ×èñòî ôèçè÷åñêèõ. Ýòî ñòîÿëî êàê ìîùíàÿ ýíåðãåòè÷åñêàÿ ïðåãðàäà, êàê ïðîáêà, è ïîýòîìó, êîãäà ýòó ïðîáêó ñîâìåñòíûìè óñèëèÿìè âûøèáëè, è ýòà òåíü ïåðåñòàëà âèñåòü, òî è ëþäè âûëå÷èëèñü, è ó ìåíÿ ïåñíè íîâûå ïîøëè.
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<FONT COLOR="#8FA3B1">ÐÐ: Òî åñòü îíè ïîøëè òîãäà, ïîñëå ðàññòàâàíèÿ. À âîò "Èâàí äà Äàíèëî" - ýòó ïåñíþ ìîæíî îòíåñòè ê ýòîìó æå ïåðèîäó?
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ÁÃ: Çíàåòå, ðàçíèöû ìåæäó "Èâàíîì äà Äàíèëîé", "Âàâèëîíîì", "Àðèñòîêðàòîì" è "2-12-85-06" íåò íèêàêîé - ýòî îäíà è òà æå ïåñíÿ. Åñëè åå ìîæíî îòíåñòè ê ïîçäíåìó ïåðèîäó - îòëè÷íî, çíà÷èò, ìû äîáèëèñü, ÷åãî õîòåëè.
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<FONT COLOR="#8FA3B1">ÐÐ: À êàê êîíöåðòíàÿ äåÿòåëüíîñòü ó âàñ ñåé÷àñ - ãåîãðàôèÿ îáøèðíàÿ?
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ÁÃ: Òðè ãîäà ìû ìîòàëèñü ïî ñòðàíå, êàê óãîðåëûå, ïðîåõàëè åå äâà ðàçà èç êîíöà â êîíåö, è ïðîñòî ñêàçàëè - õâàòèò! Ïîòîìó ÷òî ìîæíî åçäèòü äàëüøå - íàñ ëþáÿò, ìû âåçäå ñîáèðàåì ïîëíûå çàëû, çàðàáàòûâàåì êàêèå-íèêàêèå, íî äåíüãè, òàê, ÷òîáû ðåáÿòà ìîãëè æèòü. Ïðè ýòîì âñåì, åñëè ìû ïîåäåì åùå ðàç ïî Ðîññèè, óæå áóäåò Ëåíêîíöåðò. Ýòî áóäåò óæå ÷åñ, à ÷åñ - ýòî òà ñàìàÿ ïðîáêà, êîòîðàÿ âñòàåò è ïåðåêðûâàåò àáñîëþòíî âñå. Âîò ìû è ðåøèëè çàâÿçàòü è çàíèìàòüñÿ ýòèì òîëüêî òîãäà, êîãäà íàì ïî÷åìó-òî ýòîãî î÷åíü õî÷åòñÿ.
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ÁÃ: Åñòåñòâåííî, ïîòîìó ÷òî ñòàðûé Àêâàðèóì âñå ÷òî ìîã ñäåëàë â 84-ì ãîäó, â 87-ì âñå ýòî ïå÷àòüþ ïðèïå÷àòàë, à ïîòîì ïîøëè ñòàäèîíû.
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<FONT COLOR="#8FA3B1">ÐÐ: À ïî÷åìó òîãäà ïîÿâèëàñü ìûñëü âîññîçäàòü Àêâàðèóì, ïóñòü è â íîâîì ñîñòàâå? Âåäü ýòî æå ïðîäîëæåíèå èäåè?
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ÁÃ: Ïî î÷åíü ïðîñòîé ïðè÷èíå: êîãäà òîò Àêâàðèóì êîí÷èëñÿ, ïîÿâèëñÿ ÁÃ- áåíä - îí äàæå íàçâàíèÿ íå èìåë. Ïðîñòî ãðóïïà, èãðàþùàÿ îïðåäåëåííûé íàáîð ïåñåí, êîòîðûé ïîä ýòó ãðóïïó è ïèñàëñÿ, è òîëüêî ñ íåé äîëæåí áûë áûòü ñûãðàí. Êîãäà ýòè ïåñíè áûëè îòûãðàíû, ïðîøëî ïîëòîðà ãîäà, è ýòà ôîðìàöèÿ çàêîí÷èëà ñâîå ñóùåñòâîâàíèå, èíà÷å îïÿòü ïîøåë áû ÷åñ. Òî åñòü ãðóïïà î÷åíü ÷óòêàÿ ðàçâàëèëàñü ñàìà ñðàçó, â îäèí äåíü, è áîëüøå íå âñòðå÷àëàñü íèêîãäà. Íî óæå áûëè çàäàòêè ÷åãî-òî íîâîãî - áûë "Ëåò÷èê" è "Öàðü ñíà", êîòîðûå òà ãðóïïà ôèçè÷åñêè èãðàòü íå ìîãëà, íå ïîëó÷àëîñü. Íó è åñëè îñòàëñÿ Ñàêìàðû÷, êîòîðûé òàêæå èãðàë â Àêâàðèóìå, åñëè ïîÿâèëñÿ Òèò- Òóò âîò åùå êàêàÿ èñòîðèÿ: Àêâàðèóì - ýòî âåäü íå ÿ, íå Òèò, íå êòî-òî åùå èç ëþäåé â íåì èãðàâøèõ, ýòî îïðåäåëåííàÿ èäåÿ. Íà "Òðåóãîëüíèêå", íàïðèìåð, åñòü ïåñíÿ "Ãåíèâåð", ê êîòîðîé ÿ íå èìåþ âîîáùå íèêàêîãî îòíîøåíèÿ. Åñòü åùå ïàðà òàêèõ ïåñåí. Íî ýòî âñå ðàâíî "Àêâàðèóì". Òîæå ñàìîå, ÷òî "Áèòëç" - ýòî âñå òàêè íå îòäåëüíûå ëþäè, ýòî î÷åíü îïðåäåëåííûé ïîäõîä ê ñëîæåíèþ ìóçûêè.
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ÁÃ: Ñîâåðøåííî âåðíî, ïîòîìó ÷òî áûëà áû íå òà èäåÿ. Ýòî áûëà áû èìèòàöèÿ èõ èäåè èëè ÷òî-òî åùå- Çäåñü âåäü ðå÷ü èäåò î ñîçäàíèè êàêîãî-òî íîâîãî ìóçûêàëüíîãî ïðîñòðàíñòâà, ìèðà, à çàêîíû ïî êîòîðûì âñå ýòî ñîçäàåòñÿ òàêèå æå êàê è â 75-ì è â 85-ì ãîäó.
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ÁÃ: Èäåÿ "Áèòëç" êîí÷èëàñü äëÿ ìåíÿ íà "Áåëîì àëüáîìå". Òî, ÷òî áûëî ïîñëå- Ýòî äîëãî îáúÿñíÿòü, è, ìîæåò áûòü, îá ýòîì âîîáùå íåò ñìûñëà ãîâîðèòü, íî "Áèòëç" íà ýòîé äâîéíîé ïëàñòèíêå êîí÷èëèñü - ýòî áûë ðàñïàä, ïîëíûé è îêîí÷àòåëüíûé, è ýòî íèêàê íå ñâÿçàíî ñ èõ ëè÷íûìè âçàèìîîòíîøåíèÿìè. Èäåÿ, êîòîðàÿ ó íèõ áûëà, îíà äîøëà äî ñâîåãî ïèêà, ïîòîì êàêîå-òî âðåìÿ ïîñóùåñòâîâàëà, è ïåðåñòàëà ñóùåñòâîâàòü.
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ÁÃ: Ìû ñåëè ñ Ñàêìàðîâûì è ñòàëè äóìàòü - ÷òî íàì äåëàòü äàëüøå, ïîòîìó ÷òî ïåñíè ýòè áûëè, è áûëî ÿñíî, ÷òî ýòèì äåëî íå îãðàíè÷èòñÿ. Êîãî áóäåì áðàòü â áàñèñòû? Ñàêìàðîâ ãîâîðèò: "Âîò åñòü Òèò (Àëåêñàíäð Òèòîâ - áàñèñò "À" êëàññè÷åñêîãî ñîñòàâà)". ß ñêàçàë, ÷òî Òèò âðîäå áû äðóãèìè äåëàìè çàíÿò. "Äà íè ôèãà îí íå çàíÿò!" Ìû âñòðåòèëèñü ñ Ñàøêîé, è ñ ïåðâîé æå ñåêóíäû âñòàë âîïðîñ î òîì, ÷òî è êàê êîíêðåòíî äåëàòü, äðóãèõ âîïðîñîâ íå âîçíèêëî - çíàêîìû ìû óæå äåñÿòü ëåò, è âñå òàðàêàíû ëè÷íûå, êîòîðûå ìåæäó íàìè áûëè, âñå ðàçáåæàëèñü. Áûëî ïîíÿòíî, ÷òî Àëåêñåé Ïàâëîâè÷ Çóáàðåâ - íåîòúåìëåìàÿ ÷àñòü âñåãî ýòîãî. Âîò óæå ÷åòûðå. Ñ óäàðíèêîì ìû ïîäóìàëè, è Òèò ñêàçàë: "Íóæíî Ðàöåíà (Àëåêñåé Ðàöåí - ýêñ-áàðàáàíùèê ãðóïïû "Òåëåâèçîð")", õîðîøî, ñòàëè èãðàòü ñ Ðàöåíûì. Ñíà÷àëà ñîâñåì äðóã äðóãà íå ïîíèìàëè, íî â òî æå âðåìÿ ó ìåíÿ âñå âðåìÿ áûëî îùóùåíèå, ÷òî ñêîðî ýòî âñå ïðîéäåò. È äåéñòâèòåëüíî, âîò ñêîðî óæå äâà ãîäà, êàê ýòî âñå ðàáîòàåò ñëîâíî ìàøèíà, è âñå î÷åíü äîâîëüíû. Àíäðåé Âèõàðåâ ïîÿâèëñÿ ñàì ïî ñåáå , ïðÿìî ñ ïåðâîé ðåïåòèöèè. ß î÷åíü äîëãî íå ìîã ïîíÿòü, ÷òî îí âîîáùå äåëàåò, íî çíàë, ÷òî ýòîìó åñòü ìåñòî. È ñåé÷àñ, åãî äåëî - îäíà èç ñîñòàâëÿþùèõ, èíòåãðàëüíàÿ ÷àñòü è ýòîãî çâóêà, è ïîäõîäà, è îáðàçà.
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<FONT COLOR="#8FA3B1">ÐÐ: Êàê òû äóìàåøü, Áîðèñ, ëþäè âñå åùå ïî ïðèâû÷êå ïðèõîäÿò íà ñòàðûé Àêâàðèóì èëè óæå íà íîâûé? "Äàâàé "Ñòàðèêà Êîçëîäîåâà"! êðè÷àò?
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ÁÃ: ×åñòíî ñêàæó, íåò, è äàæå "Ïîåçä â îãíå" íå êðè÷àò, ïîòîìó ÷òî ñ ÁÃ-Áåíäîì ìû ïûòàëèñü êàê ìîæíî áîëüøå âîäû îñòàâèòü ìåæäó Àêâàðèóìîì è ñîáîé, è ýòî óäàëîñü ïðàêòè÷åñêè ñðàçó. Ëþäè ÷óâñòâóþò, ÷òî ýòî íå÷òî íîâîå, ÁÃ-Áåíä ïîñëóæèë íåêîé ïðîïàñòüþ ìåæäó ñòàðûì è íîâûì: ýòî áûëî ïî òó ñòîðîíó Áåíäà, à òî ïî ýòó. È òî, ÷òî ïðîèñõîäèò òåïåðü, âîîáùå íå èìååò íèêàêîãî îòíîøåíèÿ ê ñòàðîìó Àêâàðèóìó, ïî ñ÷àñòüþ. Åñëè êîìó-òî íðàâèòñÿ ñòàðîå - ðàäè áîãà, âñå ýòî åñòü íà êàññåòàõ è CD - ñëóøàéòå íà çäîðîâüå.
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Áà (çàäóì÷èâî): Äà íåò. Óïàäêà íèêàêîãî íå íàáëþäàåòñÿ, âåçäå êàêèå-òî ãðóïïû ñóùåñòâóþò. Äðóãîå äåëî, ÷òî âñå ýòî ðàçðîçíåííî è çà÷àñòóþ íå î÷åíü èíòåðåñíî èç-çà îòñóòñòâèÿ ñèñòåì êîììóíèêàöèé, íî êîãäà îíè ïîÿâÿòñÿ, âñå ïðèäåò â íîðìó.
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ÁÃ: Êîãäà ñóùåñòâóåò ïîíÿòèå Àêâàðèóì, íå ñóùåñòâóåò íè åäèíîãî ÷åëîâåêà. Òî åñòü Ãðåáåíùèêîâà òàì òîæå íåò. Åñëè ãðóïïà èãðàåò, òî èãðàåò âñÿ âìåñòå, íà ñöåíå íåò íè åäèíîé ëè÷íîñòè êàê òàêîâîé. Òàì ïðèñóòñòâóåò íåêàÿ ñèñòåìà, êîòîðàÿ èãðàåò ìóçûêó è î÷åíü òàùèòñÿ, äåëàÿ ýòî. À îòäåëüíûå ëþäè ìîãóò áûòü äî ñöåíû è ïîñëå ñöåíû, ëè÷íî ÿ ýòî òàê âèæó.
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ÁÃ: Ïîòîìó ÷òî ìíå õî÷åòñÿ ñîáëþñòè- ì-ì-ì- êàêîå-òî îïðåäåëåííîå êà÷åñòâî. Êîãäà ÿ ñàì ïèøó, ÿ, ïî êðàéíåé ìåðå, ìîãó ãàðàíòèðîâàòü ýòî êà÷åñòâî.
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<FONT COLOR="#8FA3B1">ÐÐ: À åñòü ëè ïðîèçâåäåíèÿ, êîòîðûå ïî òåì èëè èíûì ïðè÷èíàì íå âïèñûâàþòñÿ â ðàìêè Àêâàðèóìà? Åñëè åñòü òî, ÷òî òû ñîáèðàåøüñÿ ñ íèìè äåëàòü?
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ÁÃ: Åñòü íåêîòîðîå êîëè÷åñòâî î÷åíü ñòàðûõ âåùåé, êîòîðûå íàéäóò â ñâîå âðåìÿ ñâîå ìåñòî â îáùåé ñèñòåìå òîãî, ÷òî ìû äåëàåì, è ìíîãèå èç íèõ ê ïîíÿòèþ Àêâàðèóì âîîáùå íå èìåþò îòíîøåíèÿ íèêàêîãî.
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<FONT COLOR="#8FA3B1">ÐÐ: Íåäàâíî âûøåë êîìïàêò-äèñê "Ïåñêè Ïåòåðáóðãà", ãäå äîñòàòî÷íî ñòàðûå ïåñíè çàïèñàíû â íîâûõ âàðèàíòàõ. Áóäóò ëè åùå âûïóñêàòüñÿ ïîäîáíûå âåðñèè ñòàðûõ íåèçäàííûõ ïåñåí?
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ÁÃ: Íà "Ïåñêàõ Ïåòåðáóðãà" âûøëè ïåñíè, êîòîðûå äåéñòâèòåëüíî íèêîãäà íå áûëè çàïèñàíû. Ó ýòîãî àëüáîìà áûëî ïîäíàçâàíèå, êîòîðîãî ïî÷åìó-òî íå îêàçàëîñü íà âûïóùåííîé ïëàñòèíêå - "Ïåñíè âîîáðàæàåìûõ 80-õ", òî, êàê çâó÷àëè áû ýòè ïåñíè òîãäà, åñëè áû èõ òîãäà æå ñûãðàëà ýòà ãðóïïà. Ýòî íàøå âîîáðàæàåìîå ïðîøëîå. Ìîæåò áûòü âûéäåò î÷åíü ñòðàííûé àëüáîì. Åñëè ýòî ñëó÷èòñÿ, à çàâèñèò ýòî íå òîëüêî îò íàñ, íî è îò âñÿêîãî ðîäà ìèñòè÷åñêèõ ôàêòîðîâ - òàêîé "Áèã Õèòñ" îò Àêâàðèóìà. Âîò îíè âñå áóäóò ñûãðàíû ïî-íîâîé, ñïåöèàëüíî êàê ïëåâîê â ìîðäó ìîèì ñîáñòâåííûì êîíöåïöèÿì, ÷òî ïåñíþ ìîæíî çàïèñûâàòü òîëüêî îäèí ðàç. Ìû ñïåöèàëüíî ñäåëàåì - îïÿòü-òàêè åñëè âñå ïîëó÷èòñÿ - ðÿä î÷åíü èçâåñòíûõ ïåñåí òàê, êàê îíè äîëæíû çâó÷àòü â 1994-ì ãîäó. Ïîòîìó ÷òî "Èñêóññòâî áûòü ñìèðíûì", êàê ìû èãðàåì åãî ñåé÷àñ, ñîâñåì íå òàêîå, êàê íà "Ðàäèî Àôðèêà", è ìíå íîâûé âàðèàíò òîæå íðàâèòñÿ, äàæå áîëüøå ïðåæíåãî, íà äàííûé ìîìåíò. Ýòî øàã ñïîðíûé, íî ìíå ëè÷íî, ïî-õàìñêè, èíòåðåñíî ýòî ñäåëàòü. ß ýòî äåëàþ äëÿ ñâîåãî óäîâîëüñòâèÿ, â êîíöå êîíöîâ.
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